Microsoft Decision-1: 9B Qwen Model Launch Explained

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59 points | by gmays 6 hours ago

5 comments

  • mstkllah 4 hours ago
    Reads like an ad for Microsoft and its model because it's an article about a decision model that doesn't mention Jev or other decision models at all.
    • yas_hmaheshwari 1 hour ago
      Exactly my thought. I read the whole article, did Cmd +F for Jev - and felt uneasy on did the author did any research at all
  • yakbarber 35 minutes ago
    Unlike the Internet, Microsoft did recognise the pivotal moment. But they made the wrong play… that and they’ve annoyed pretty much everybody with their products, I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a successful company with such little good will from their community.
    • Neikius 31 minutes ago
      They are a de facto monopoly for decades. They can afford annoying everyone.
    • Forgeties79 20 minutes ago
      EA
  • Den_VR 4 hours ago
    No pelicans riding bicycles on this one, eh?
    • kennywinker 1 hour ago
      Could one reverse the test? Feed ai generated svgs into the model and ask it to decide which of 10 animals (dog, cat, pelican, crocodile, etc) doing which of 10 actions (moonwalking, paddleboarding, sitting, riding a bicycle, etc.).
      • dannyw 1 hour ago
        AlexNet (2012) can do the first part :)
    • bushbaba 3 hours ago
      Instead the right app is hotdog / not hotdog
    • abhis3798 4 hours ago
      Pelicans are deciding.
      • jumperabg 4 hours ago
        Pelicans deciding if they are going to ride a bicycle.
        • egeozcan 1 hour ago
          Bikes with integrated decision models deciding which pelican needs a ride the most.

          This made me realize it's been a long time since I did some brainstorming and how I missed it.

          • cronin101 37 minutes ago
            Put a decision model in my bike that decides when it is time to automatically shift up/down based on signals (FTP, Watt avg, HR, cadence, upcoming grade) and I will buy a subscription to your SaaS.
    • v3ss0n 4 hours ago
      Yeah the most usesless and stupidest bench .. I don't know why LLM Community thinks its good idea to use that.. It can't work on decision systems.
      • eblume 4 hours ago
        It's a meme. Simon Willison started doing it because, I'm paraphrasing, it's something that (at the time) was just sort of at the edge of what you could expect an LLM to be able to do, and also it's somewhat of an impossible task since, of course, Pellicans can't ride bicycles. From there, he started writing about it along with every major LLM release he covered. His coverage is generally well regarded (hi, Simon!) and so it sticks around. It's never been intended as a serious benchmark.
        • adamsmark 3 hours ago
          The 3D visualizations have always made it starkly apparent the difference in quality between quantizations and thinking.

          The pelican meme is so much better than benchmaxxed stuff. Unfortunately we are likely now in pelicanmaxxing territory.

          • v3ss0n 2 hours ago
            already , i self hosted Deekseek 4.1 Flash , Qwen 3.8 Flash Next , Glm 5.3 flash , tested it , all benchmaxxed to the point that all of them can draw that well , much better than other logos .
        • v3ss0n 2 hours ago
          Sorry I didn't knew it was started here and , lol I didn't know it was viralized by Simon of django! Now these days , many LLMs are benchmaxxed to it.
      • locknitpicker 2 hours ago
        > Yeah the most usesless and stupidest bench ..

        I recall that when this benchmark came out there were concerns that AI companies were gaming benchmarks to fake their progress. The purpose was to find something silly and outlandish that AI companies would definitely not have trained their models on, and thus have a way to check a model's capabilities.

        A pelican riding a bicycle is pretty random. That was the whole point.

  • liuliu 4 hours ago
    I haven't evaluated this one, but for what I have, it seem the pplx-decider-v1.2 (and its -flash variant) are pretty good. Anyone evaluated all these open-source decision models on their own tasks? (I evaluated on MonitoringBench).
    • GavinEke 4 hours ago
      I didn't look specifically at open-source but I evaluated as many decision models as I could on openrouter against how good are they at detecting phishing, which isn't the best use of these models but I was interested to see how they compared. https://emdashcyber.com/phishnchips-decision-models/
    • theanonymousone 3 hours ago
      I had my first use case recently, and did some very non-systematic benchmarking of models on OpenRouter.

      The only one that came close to Jev itself was the one from respan (respan/span-02), which is also open source and cheaper too.

      • mgrandl 2 hours ago
        Have you checked mammoth-1/elephant-1 models? They are benchmarking quite well compared and are currently free on openrouter. I currently use mammoth-1 for a small internal app and it works flawlessly for what I am doing.

        https://huggingface.co/baselabs/mammoth-1

  • selcuka 4 hours ago
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