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  • layer8 1 hour ago
    > "With so many companies worldwide faced with upheaval due to AI in software development, I believe this program will become a template for rapidly leveling up new developers across the industry."

    This seems cognitively dissonant with the AI upheaval resulting in the industry needing fewer developers. Maybe they want cheaper developers?

    • LanceH 1 hour ago
      It feels like it's all senior developers now and nobody new. At some point they will want someone new and won't be able to find them.
      • flowerlad 16 minutes ago
        > At some point they will want someone new

        If we freeze AI models at their current stage of development, then yes. If not, given the rate at which models are improving (compare Claude today to Claude 1 year ago), in 3 to 5 years software development could be fully automated.

        • teiferer 2 minutes ago
          Are you sure that's how this works?

          Let's see, my grandparents were about 160cm when they were 35. My parents were about 170cm when they were 35 and I am about 180cm around 35. You are saying I can expect my grandchildren to be around 200cm at that age and their grandchildren 220cm?

        • astrobe_ 14 minutes ago
          Including development of AI models?
      • Terr_ 38 minutes ago
        Some of that is long pre-existing, where most companies go: "Let someone else train juniors, we'll hire them away afterwards."
    • alpha21io 11 minutes ago
      Is there evidence that overall software developer positions are declining relative to other jobs? It wouldn't surprise me if Jevons paradox applied here.
  • geraldwhen 1 hour ago
    Microsoft? Maybe they’re hopeful the next admin will make OPT cheap labor again.
  • bradfa 1 hour ago
    Curious how realistic the skills learned in such a program are still applicable in 1-2 years. This industry is moving very fast, it feels like the self motivated, self starter, self learner has been thriving. Probably a good thing to have such a program, but I have doubts.
    • icantevenhold 25 minutes ago
      The industry feels like it’s moving at lightspeed but I feel the fundamentals that were true 30-50 years ago still hold up for most real life work
    • avaer 1 hour ago
      The YC meta model is probably a better school than school now. I'm sure YC knows that.

      If you need to be told what to do, it's a short step to your AI replacement being told what to do; money will ensure it. If your job is to discover and capture new things in an exploding possibility space, that's a career.

      Schools should teach hacking, but it doesn't seem that's what this program is doing.

  • petcat 1 hour ago
    "software engineer" is likely a career long gone. "Product engineer" and architect is probably the only software-adjacent title that will have consistent demand for awhile.

    Basically still just a prompt jockey but knows the difference between outputs that are good and bad.

    • 1270018080 7 minutes ago
      I was a huge AI skeptic from the beginning through ~2025. But once Opus came out, it's pretty obvious writing code by hand is an obsolete skill on its own. You still need to know how to read code, how to know what good/bad code looks like, and if it matches what you're truly asking for. But there's really no reason to be typing code with your own fingers in 2026 and beyond.

      2024 me would be shocked at current me saying this.

    • rfgplk 56 minutes ago
      Yep. If you think your job involves "writing code" as the core part of your responsibilities, write yourself off immediately. That career is dead and dusted. Sadly most companies still haven't realized this, given how few Architect openings exist (and those that do, most are asking for 20+ years of exp lol)
      • icantevenhold 22 minutes ago
        In my professional experience most people I encountered that held the architect title didnt really know anything about proper software engineering and just knew how to talk well and hold meetings with many different stakeholders - which tbf is not a trivial skill, but I can’t imagine everyone becoming architects and no one doing actual work they understand.
      • stingraycharles 37 minutes ago
        Definition of what the role actually means can change as well over time, in the same way that a civil engineer also isn’t physically doing the construction.
      • majormajor 29 minutes ago
        Most companies aren't gonna need an architect, but if you can tell and demonstrate a good story around quality/risk/stability they might be interested in that.
      • crassglassass 39 minutes ago
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  • thadk 1 hour ago
    Can anyone share syllabi for these?
  • BatchJob 56 minutes ago
    Im sorry for being so negative but MS sold software engineers (and US high school and college students) down the river so long ago, the nerve of them now even pretending to care is just so offensive. This business has gotten so rotten, the best thing I can tell anyone is to find something rewarding to do with your life.
  • coolThingsFirst 2 hours ago
    Now that you have learnt Software Engineering, hunting for a job is easy just make 10^10^10^10 job applications.
  • dyauspitr 2 hours ago
    “So you type your request into this chat window…”
  • flowerlad 1 hour ago
    The assumption here is that senior engineers are still needed to review AI-generated code. That assumption might not be valid for very long. I find myself reviewing AI-generated code less and less because the code quality is very good -- and getting better every month. Soon reviewing AI-generated code will be like manually verifying the results of a calculator--it is a waste of time. At that point all you need is an architect. I predict senior software engineers will be obsolete within a year.
    • lelanthran 1 hour ago
      > At that point all you need is an architect.

      What value would an architect provide that a SOTA LLM can't?

      • flowerlad 45 minutes ago
        As of now it is insufficient to outline the end-user requirements, AI will ask you a bunch of questions that requires you to make architectural decisions. I think within 3 to 5 years that might change as well.
        • majormajor 13 minutes ago
          If you say "yeah go with your own recommendation" every time you'll get something that'll at least kinda work sooner or later. Not sure you need an "architect."

          But is that workflow enough in a competitive world anyway, or will there be an edge for people who do more than "outline the end-user requirements" like it's the waterfall 70s?

    • BoggleOhYeah 1 hour ago
      As a principal, I still catch people submitting shitty AI code on a weekly basis. Their brains are rotting to the point that they can't tell if the code is doing the correct thing or not.
      • frank00001 1 hour ago
        Just left my programming job due to this. Stopped thinking, stopped caring. AI destroyed my coding joy, so I’m finished with that. Leadership challenges next - hope to use my brain a bit more.
        • deadbabe 1 hour ago
          You won’t, leadership requires even less brain.
          • bradfa 1 hour ago
            Good leadership requires brains. Average leadership is attainable without brains.
      • LanceH 1 hour ago
        I've found myself engaging more with AI writing code. There is no easy time during the work day. I'm talking to product about what they want, communicating with AI to write it, and verifying that it covers what was asked for. And the better I get at it, the more of the product I need to learn at a faster pace. If I find some downtime, I work on additional features at the same time, something I wouldn't do on my own.

        Quite simply, I'm more mentally drained at the end of a day working with AI than I am a normal day of coding. There is still a lot of energy and thought that needs to go into what needs to be written.

        • Terr_ 15 minutes ago
          > mentally drained

          Anecdotally, I find my final mood often depends on whether I know the origin and trustworthiness of the stuff in front of me, ex:

          1. [Good] I know what I wanted, I have a concept of what "correct" looks like. I use the LLM to generate an output, and I check it. Even if it's annoyingly wrong, I can fix it up.

          2. [Bad] Someone else had a concept, and they put it through an LLM to generate something (Ticket, PR, review comment.) However the provenance is lost, I have to guess which parts of the thing are "real" and which are nonsense the human never actually intended or even noticed.

          I think some of the latter drain comes from how reading means inferring/simulate the mind of the writer, but LLM output is wrong enough that little warning flags never stop popping up.

      • throwaway_45 1 hour ago
        The issue is the higher ups don't even seem to care. You just turn into the guy that's yelling at the clouds. I don't know what the future of this industry is.
    • dude250711 1 hour ago
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