JetKVM Mini

(jetkvm.com)

250 points | by taubek 5 hours ago

24 comments

  • doctorhandshake 19 minutes ago
    I have an OG JetKVM and it works solidly but the thing that prevents me from using it is no video pass through. The awkwardness of an ‘invisible’ monitor connected to windows at all times is hard to live with - windows and apps open there and I’m constantly having to pull them back to an another monitor. My next KVM will be pass through for this reason, but the consumer ones seem to top out at 4k30, which is not great either.
    • kllrnohj 4 minutes ago
      why not just configure Windows to mirror the displays? That seems a lot cheaper and more flexible than pass through. And you wouldn't need to worry about matching resolutions and refresh rates
  • mszcz 1 hour ago
    I have 4 of the old ones in service and they're great. Whenever I need to remotely reboot a server those come in handy just great, no more fear of what I'm going to do if the server doesn't come back online.

    It also solved the issue I had with entering a password on FDE (full disk encryption) systems. Previously I had to rely on a janky solution with booting into BusyBox so that the system can be accessed remotely and using that to enter the password. Now it's just plain FDE set up during Debian install - I reboot, use JetKVM to enter the password and that's it.

    One note though - I don't use their online cloud service access thingy and connect to those using my Wireguard deployment. The hardware is nice, open source is nice, but I wouldn't trust that level of access to any cloud solution by any vendor.

    • irusensei 58 minutes ago
      >It also solved the issue I had with entering a password on FDE (full disk encryption) systems

      I've fixed that with secure boot (my own keys, not Microsoft's) and TPM2. From that host I can run a program named Tang, which operates in conjunction with another program named Clevis.

      On hosts without secure boot such as RPis and other ARM SBCs, Clevis will contact Tang at boot time and decrypt the disk.

      Incidentally my x86 with secure boot has intel vPro so the KVM is not needed. The remaining sisters have a piece of lost technology used for decades to solve the KVM problem: serial (UART specifically) connections.

      Some seasoned sysadmins might have memories of dialing their Sun servers serial ports for remote administration.

      • jchw 48 minutes ago
        To me, it is a feature to have a password required at boot to unlock the drive. Relying on TPM for keymatter is convenient but comes with caveats I don't like. I don't personally trust that the boot chain and OS on a modern system are secure enough for this model to be similarly secure to using a passphrase properly. And if I care enough to try to secure something in this way, I definitely care enough to pick something that I believe would be at least truly secure at rest with a decent degree of certainty.

        TPM based unlock does at least still fulfill the goal of ensuring data stored to disk is encrypted so that it can't easily be recovered from a discarded drive.

    • Forgeties79 32 minutes ago
      I like jetkvm a lot but the splitter with the dual USB-c’s is really, really finicky and will say it’s not connected for seemingly no reason. They don’t even send you all the cables you need (which I’m sorry, but jetkvm team if you’re reading this, that’s ridiculous) so you’re just kind of rotating through your pile until you find one that it arbitrarily accepts. Power in particular just refuses to work with many cables for some odd reason. Kind of annoying, I would rather just pay the extra cost and have all the exact cables I need out the box.

      At least the new ones dropped the splitter and put 2 separate ports it seems.

  • Shank 5 hours ago
    I own 3 JetKVMs, of which two of them stopped working, one of which doesn't boot at all and the other that never connects to network. The third I took out of service because the keyboard wouldn't send input when it was connected for more than a couple months. I'm sure the newer hardware is better, but I'm very unhappy with my JetKVMs.
    • strathos 3 hours ago
      FWIW, I have two JetKVMs from the original Kickstarter campaign, and both have been in continuous use since the day I received them without a single issue. So the experience definitely varies.
      • sersi 3 hours ago
        Likewise no issue, I also have the gl-inet which is nice because it supports audio but the interface is not as well designed as jetkvm
    • philjohn 5 hours ago
      I have two and one stopped working, but they were great and sent me a replacement motherboard and a toolkit to swap it over. Did you try reaching out to them?
    • yokoprime 4 hours ago
      I've had good experiences with mine, only thing is that wifi and ethernet claims the same IP which causes my Unifi controller to freak out and send alerts
    • skerit 5 hours ago
      At least you got them. I'm still at the "We will send you an email to do a final shipment confirmation once ready" stage.
  • theanonymousone 5 hours ago
    It may be worth noting that this is not _that_ KVM, but this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch

    I learnt this first myself from HN, a few months ago.

    • yonatan8070 4 hours ago
      It not exactly a KVM switch, which allows you to have one set of keyboard, mouse, monitor connected to multiple PCs and switch between them. This is an IP KVM, which lets you send keyboard and mouse inputs and view display output remotely over the network.
      • cyh555 4 hours ago
        Right, I was confused when it has the wifi/ethernet port
    • layer8 3 hours ago
      Depending on one’s computational upbringing, it is exactly _that_ KVM.

      (I agree that they should spell it out on the website.)

    • herrherrmann 4 hours ago
      My first thought was “ah, this must be a JVM for Kotlin by the creators of Kotlin (Jetbrains)!”
    • stingraycharles 5 hours ago
      What KVM were you thinking of, the virtualization?
  • teruakohatu 5 hours ago
    I am amazed that there is an ESP that can handle this and with just 32MB of RAM:

    https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-dev-kits/en/latest/e...

    • MPSimmons 2 hours ago
      That was my first thought too, but it seems like they're using two of them in the wireless version, with a C5 for wifi
    • greggsy 2 hours ago
      That board still requires an HDMI module. The pi zero will support PiKVM fine with an HDMI module too.
    • numpad0 4 hours ago
      The only reason it had been difficult was video capture and compression. Even 32MB would be overkill if you didn't need remote screen.
      • PunchyHamster 46 minutes ago
        ....that's kinda the feature KVM is for, remote screen
    • sugarkjube 4 hours ago
      looks nice but seems to be rather expensive
  • skolos 4 hours ago
    or make one yourself: https://github.com/espkvm/espkvm
    • ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 3 hours ago
      i am not sure i would trust a two month old project "based on a three month old proof of concept" over a product that has been around for years, but it is good to know it is there
    • dexif 33 minutes ago
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  • ricardobeat 44 minutes ago
    Nice to see a deployment of the ESP32-P4!

    I'd love to play more with it, but Aliexpress sellers have hiked up prices immensely; a P4 dev board goes for almost €100, when the chip costs €6.

  • hofiflo 3 hours ago
    Wait, do I understand correctly that you can only boot ISOs off a microSD card that I have to pre-load? I can’t just put in a card and load ISOs over the web interface? That makes the use case of full remote control (after plugging it in for the first time, of course) kinda moot… Otherwise, this seems to be a great product for homelab stuff :)
    • greggsy 2 hours ago
      PiKVM allows you to load ISOs to the onboard sd card via the web interface. It just needs to be on the local disk.
    • igniuss 1 hour ago
      they allow you to upload ISOs from the web interface as well
  • nf-x 1 hour ago
    Using one for couple of months so far. I need it once a month for a couple of hours or so, but it saves me 3x more time, so money well spent. But wow, at 3x less price tag it a deal!
  • noelwelsh 4 hours ago
    I have an ATEN KVM [1] that gets a solid "it does the job" from me. Occasionally a connected computer won't pick up the K, V, or M, and I'll have to reconnect a few times.

    I use it to switch between my work laptop and my personal PC, and for this situation 4K is a must have. That, and the choice of HDMI instead of DisplayPort, and things that would keep me from getting a JetKVM.

    [1]: https://www.aten.com/gb/en/products/kvm/desktop-kvm-switches...

    • layer8 3 hours ago
      I use Aten KVM switches too, but they are a different type of product. JetKVM is for remote KVM access, not for switching between multiple computers. Both are orthogonal to each other. You can in principle combine a JetKVM with a KVM switch (and some people are doing that, though there are some technical pitfalls).
  • tidbeck 4 hours ago
    It is really hard to find on the site what kvm stands for. Guess people going there knows what it stands for but think it could be spelled out once at least.
    • Grombobulous 35 minutes ago
      Just click the “docs” button at the top and the concept is explained in the first paragraph.
      • normie3000 8 minutes ago
        Agreed, except for "just". To me a KVM is a physical switch for 2 computers to share the same wired peripherals. It took me 4 different tries to find a page which explained what this one is.
    • embedding-shape 3 hours ago
      Warning: Don't browse their documentation site, it's filled with domain-specific jargon like FPS, BIOS, LAN, HDMI and other things, and not a single one is explained first! They should clearly read "Product Websites for Dummies" again.
      • ValdikSS 3 hours ago
        Actually yes, why not? All the professional documentation has glossary in it, btw.
        • Grombobulous 35 minutes ago
          If you click the “docs” button on this page the definition of KVM and the purpose of the product explained immediately.
      • greenavocado 2 hours ago
        It's an aposematism. Everything working as intended
    • numpad0 4 hours ago
      Keyboard Video Mouse... It's such a weird TLA that it's not felt to be worth explaining or remembering
    • greatgib 1 hour ago
      Not to be taken in a bad way but, so many people wondering "what is a KVM" is telling a lot about HN reader base evolution.

      It used to be a time that any proper geek/hacker would obviously know what a KVM is. More the normal KVM than the IP-KVM that could be considered a marvel of our time in the end.

      Because it was so common to have just a single screen and keyboard but multiple tower desktop computers. Especially at school and home. Nowadays we mostly all use laptops so it is well irrelevant and I guess only a few young reader ever saw one in the field.

  • neals 4 hours ago
    The original one is shaped weirdly and hard to use in my unordered stack of machines and wires. I like the new shape here better.
    • pdpi 3 hours ago
      I was actually thinking the exact opposite.

      The big “tail” on the original gives you something to build an enclosure around, and the ports are all on the face opposite the display. That shape makes it easy to 3d print a mount for a 10” rack.

      This one has stuff on four out of six surfaces (display, button, card slot, ports), and the two free surfaces are at a right angle to each other instead of being on opposite sides, so this gives you little to no leeway for mounting semi-permanently without some adhesive.

      • touisteur 1 hour ago
        I was thinking the point was it was so light to have it hanging on the cables themselves, as I'm certain absolutely no one does in any of their installations...
        • pdpi 23 minutes ago
          But then why bother with having a display at all?
  • woadwarrior01 3 hours ago
    On a related note, I came across this USB-C KVM on pre-order the other day. It ostensibly supports Tailscale, which would be really useful.

    https://sipeed.com/nanokvm-go

    • jbaiter 1 hour ago
      I have the predecessor at home, it's solid and the tailscale support is great!
  • stingraycharles 3 hours ago
    What’s a decent quality IP KVM solution that’s not too expensive? We’re looking to put a dozen of mac minis in a collocation, and currently investigating solutions for remote access.
  • cm2187 3 hours ago
    Would be curious what the power draw is (in use or idle).
  • garganzol 2 hours ago
    Kickstarter = never in stock. What's the point in all these PR pieces when there is no product?
    • vachina 2 hours ago
      Why even bother when these things (of another make) can be had for less than $20 on Chinese market. This artificial scarcity bullshit need to die.
      • garganzol 2 hours ago
        I don't quite trust this class of devices to be programmed in China by who knows who. KVMs are among those things that need authentic, business-registered suppliers that hold a trackable reputational responsibility.
        • soraminazuki 1 hour ago
          I totally agree with you, but where are those trustworthy companies? It seems every household names in the consumer electronics space are hell-bent on abusing their customers in every conceivable way. Just look at the LG scandal, and that is standard practice across the entire industry. It has to start with strong consumer protection laws and strong enforcement of those laws.
  • dtech 1 hour ago
    Not really related to this, but are there good non-IP KVM's left? I'm in the market for one so we can move two home office desks into 1, but all the ones I find seem kinda shit. Asking for USB-C + 2 hdmi or displayports is apparently unreasonable
  • amelius 3 hours ago
    LTE support?
  • pftburger 2 hours ago
    Missed marketing opportunity : Let AI Agents control any computer
    • apexalpha 2 hours ago
      Unironically, yes. Easy to connect an AI to any device that supports (adapted) USB input.

      Don't even need the HDMI or video the AI will prefer serial console.

      • pftburger 2 hours ago
        I don’t mean this ironically at all. I have a few serial to IP bridges I use to let agents help me debug stuff.
  • LoganDark 4 hours ago
    Are there any good KVMs for gaming? Right now, I use a capture card for video, connect the mouse directly to the destination, and use a piece of software called Deskflow to transmit my keyboard. But Deskflow occasionally crashes, so it'd be nice to have a hardware solution (also that can be used for BIOS/etc). And Deskflow also won't work if I install SteamOS, once Nvidia works.

    I looked at making a solution myself, but for some reason, simulating a USB client device in software is extremely annoying, and requires specialized hardware that is also very expensive. So at that point, why not just get a KVM...

    I frequently switch between 1080p and 4K for gaming since I don't like resampling artifacts. Never found a KVM that can handle 4K properly even for productivity. The mistake can be as basic as assuming a 100% scale factor.

    • AdamGibbins 3 hours ago
      https://www.store.level1techs.com/products/kvm do some that might be suitable, they produce some of the highest end desktop-spec KVMs I know of. They're not cheap though.
    • numpad0 4 hours ago
      KVMs are for rebooting and recovering servers without needing physical access. Maybe you would have some chance with HDMI splitter connected with an EDID dummy plug and an HDMI-Ethernet capture encoder thing, and some dedicated KVM for just keyboard and mouse, but idk.
      • LoganDark 3 hours ago
        For me, I want to access my physical desktop without having to keep a physically separate monitor and keyboard than my MacBook. I have the physically separate monitor and keyboard, and I actually kept it co-located with my laptop for the longest time, but it's just more convenient to not have to swap it out with the laptop to maintain good posture, etc. (I use the laptop in bed due to chronic pain/disability)
    • peroo 4 hours ago
      Why do you need to use a KVM rather than Sunshine+Moonlight? That's pretty much the gold standard for remote gaming.
      • LoganDark 4 hours ago
        The practical answer for right now is that I don't want software screen capture, but it also does not do any of the things I wanted to be able to do by having remote inputs directed to the hardware rather than simulated in software. Namely it requires software installation on the server, which means OS support becomes a thing, you can't use it in BIOS/firmware, etc.
        • TiredOfLife 3 hours ago
          Sunshine works on linux and windows, screen capture uses parts of the gpu meant to do that as result you get lower latency than separate capture and encode.
          • embedding-shape 3 hours ago
            KVM is useful for when you need to be able to control earlier stuff in the boot process too, or even simple stuff like entering the password for full-disk encryption, or choosing a boot entry in GRUB, or changing BIOS settings... Many use cases for KVM and remote KVM.
    • swiftcoder 4 hours ago
      > simulating a USB client device ... requires specialized hardware that is also very expensive

      Pretty much any off-the-shelf SBC can present itself as a USB HID device like a keyboard. You can buy a very capable rp2040-based board for <$5.

      What part of this equation requires expensive hardware?

      • LoganDark 4 hours ago
        The part where I want wired ethernet to that SBC, not some funky proprietary wireless chip as in ESP32. I almost found a solution, but I've been unable to get my picoprobe to properly flash and reset the board for some reason, so I haven't been able to use it for development. I'll have to troubleshoot that again sometime if I enter another bout of caring.
        • swiftcoder 4 hours ago
          > The part where I want wired ethernet to that SBC,

          In that case the path of least resistance becomes something like a $22 NanoPi NEO (has onboard ethernet, widely used in PiKVM setups)

          • LoganDark 4 hours ago
            Oh, you were talking about SBC, not embedded. I even echoed it, should've noticed. Whoops.

            Maybe I'll look into that, wouldn't require messing around with the picoprobe. Thanks!

    • noelwelsh 4 hours ago
      I don't really understand your setup, but if you throw enough money at ATEN they will be happy to give you a KVM that handles 4K @ 240Hz. Supporting high refresh rates is the main thing that would keep me from using most KVMs for gaming.
      • LoganDark 4 hours ago
        Ah, I neglected to mention that my keyboard isn't separate hardware. I'm using the built-in keyboard and display of my laptop, and would like to continue doing so. So hardware switches that depend on dumb monitors and keyboards don't work for me (and that's why I said KVM, not switch).
    • xcafebabe 4 hours ago
      Most KVMs that fail at 4K get the EDID wrong. They either send their own fixed one (often maxing out at 1080p or 4K30), or they reconnect the display on every switch, so the OS thinks it's a new monitor and resets your scaling. Look for one with EDID emulation.

      For high refresh 4K you also need HDMI 2.1 or DisplayPort with DSC support, and a lot of "4K" KVMs don't have it.

      Also, 1080p divides evenly into 4K, so turn on integer scaling in the Nvidia or AMD settings and 1080p will look sharp instead of blurry.

      • LoganDark 4 hours ago
        I do use integer scaling. That's what makes 1080p bearable on my 4K display, and not other resolutions that don't divide evenly into 4K.

        An annoying quirk is that I have to use the Nvidia control panel specifically to get Windows to send a 1080p signal as otherwise, it will just upscale 1080p to a 4K signal. It makes no fucking sense to me why that would be the default but whatever.

        • KwanEsq 4 hours ago
          Can't you do the same thing in Windows' own Advanced Display Settings, by toggling the resolution in list of modes? (I might be remembering the naming wrong). That seems to work to change the "Active Signal Resolution" or whatever it is. But perhaps the Nvidia method is faster.

          I agree that it's insane it works this way though.

  • mickeyp 4 hours ago
    Meh. The challenge is 4k+ at high display frequency that doesn't cost the same as a small boat. There are gazillions of KVM switches that do 1080. That's easy.
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