7 comments

  • josefresco 2 hours ago
    Maybe I missed it, why didn't they just reintroduce beavers?
    • petcat 2 hours ago
      The beavers are still there, just not in high numbers like they used to be. Right now the ecosystem can only support the population that is already there. Maybe eventually it will support more and then the number will increase naturally.
    • cornstalks 2 hours ago
      TFA implies the issue is land owners won’t allow it:

      > But beavers can only thrive if landowners allow them to.

      • repeekad 2 hours ago
        Which they never will on their own, so surely conservation regulations need to be enforced, too bad the US is moving backwards right now in that regard
        • stouset 2 hours ago
          Then you get people (understandably) upset that just about any work they want to do to improve their own private land needs to involve the EPA and/or a local wildlife commission.
          • fodkodrasz 1 hour ago
            The modern phrasing of "improve" and "develop" for destroy is pretty upsetting to me.

            My environment was improved to an unliveable asphalt/gravel sprawl from edge of city with woods with frog and birdsong...

            • cucumber3732842 59 minutes ago
              Everything you do to waste land area by "lightly" touching it further increases sprawl because it increases the land required to do things.

              Environmentalism is in direct conflict with densely packing "stuff" onto land whether that's people or industry. If you want to preserve nature embrace the "concrete jungle" and the density it brings.

              Look at historical small towns vs modern build outs of the same population. Despite building maybe four stories high at most 50k people in some New England or Midwest mill town fit on a tiny fraction of the developed area of the same modern population simply because environmentalists weren't around to mandate engineered drainage ditches and green spaces and setbacks and require every podunk business have fire lanes a drunk could back a lowboy into and all planters in their parking lot and the other stuff

          • nkrisc 1 hour ago
            The alternative is we drive ourselves ever closer to the brink.

            It is entirely possible that our current way of living, including the idea of “private land” as it exists today, may not be conducive to our long-term survival.

            The forces of nature care not for our political and philosophical debates.

          • AngryData 1 hour ago
            If you don't want to deal with swampy land full of beavers, don't buy swampy land full of beavers.

            They should of done a better job purchasing land.

          • mulmen 2 hours ago
            Ignoring externalities remains popular.

            We live in a society. I can’t build a helipad on my roof in the middle of Seattle. Technically that’s a limitation on my personal liberty. We accept it because of the cost to the people around me.

          • messe 1 hour ago
            Good? They don't own the commons.
      • evan_ 20 minutes ago
        this is basically the inciting incident of the recent movie Hoppers
      • cmrdporcupine 1 hour ago
        Beavers can be incredibly difficult to live alongside of.

        My parents have 100+ acres of bush in central Alberta. When they bought the property it was logged out and mostly in a bad abused state and mostly dry. Over a few years, beavers moved in and transformed a formerly semi-marshy spot into a full pond. And then another. And another.

        Eventually though, without a lot of predators around (there's some skittish bears, coyotes, that's it) they begin to overpopulate. And any efforts to keep the water level at a certain point starts to get tricky. In order to keep access to some parts of the property my dad ended up having to put in some sneaky culverts with various tricks to stop them from plugging them. (I forget, but he eventually figured out a beaverproof trick).

        Even then, every few years the need to "remove" some of the beavers, because they just get to be too many, they run out of poplars near their lodge and start to cause more problems for downstream and upstream neighbours.

        They've done amazing things for the property. But when my parents pass it's going to be hard to maintain this property with the beavers actively trying to transform it constantly.

        • xandrius 10 minutes ago
          Throw in some wolves and create a brand new set of problems :)
        • cogogo 1 hour ago
          Busy beaver problem?
      • cucumber3732842 1 hour ago
        Because the government makes the water that comes with them a huge liability.

        Tons of vacant land owners would be happy to allow beavers and everything else if not for the fact that it destroys any prospect of doing anything on the land.

    • pvaldes 2 hours ago
      > Maybe I missed it, why didn't they just reintroduce beavers?

      My guess is that trees are not there in numbers enough to support beavers. Or maybe they don't want beavers chopping the trees.

  • _whiteCaps_ 1 hour ago
    There's a really good book about a homesteader that did something similar to this in the 1930's in British Columbia, "Three Against The Wilderness". Basically he restored the dams that had been dynamited by the ranchers, and that restored all of the wetlands in the area.

    Later on, the government brought him some beavers from elsewhere, and they flourished.

  • richiebful1 1 hour ago
    It was an interesting, but counterintuitive result that water temperatures went down after artificial beaver damming. Their theory is that the water is able to permeate more into the ground and exchange heat with the ambient underground temperature [1]

    1. https://www.science.org/content/article/beaver-dams-without-...

  • declan_roberts 1 hour ago
    The temperature is cooler? That can't possibly be the only reason to explain such a dramatic change in survival rates. We definitely need more research on this topic.
    • margalabargala 1 hour ago
      If you do even a moment of reading about salmon, you will find that they are extremely sensitive to warm temperatures. Even a couple degrees F above their "normal" will allow disease to run rampant.
      • declan_roberts 58 minutes ago
        I give the salmon a little more credit because the entire river can't be a beaver dam. That's their theory and I think will more research we're going to learn more about what's happening here.
  • krm01 1 hour ago
    Whatever they eat, did that go down to an all time low. Im m curious about the chain reaction vs an isolated result.
  • pstuart 1 hour ago
    With freshwater increasingly being a problem, being able to slow down tributaries and allow the water to percolate and help rebuild aquifers is something that should be happening everywhere possible.

    Lost cost, high reward. Not sexy enough to get the attention it deserves.

  • tomcam 1 hour ago
    I am sick of underachieving beavers. Go us! Seriously, that would require statutory change here in Washington state. I live in a rural area with salmon waterways all over. Farmers just quietly clear the way for them, because it's illegal to make any changes to the waterway even if it's trash thrown out of cars.
    • tolugenius 1 hour ago
      > I am sick of underachieving beavers. Go us!

      This really made laugh for some reason, just imagining a beaver typing away at HN specifically.