Airbus Full Scale Foldable Wing Extensions

(airbus.com)

43 points | by r2sk5t 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • happyopossum 1 hour ago
    FTA: The extensions, each measuring several metres, will replicate a folding wing in the fully extended position during a flight

    So no, they are not foldable today - the headline submitted to HN is total clickbait.

    • lisper 40 minutes ago
      AFAICT they don't exist at all today. They are just renderings. So double clickbait. A more accurate title would be, "Airbus announces plans to develop foldable wing extensions, with non-foldable versions as the first step" or something like that.
  • jsrozner 13 minutes ago
    It looks like you can get ~10-20% efficiency gain from these kinds of wings. https://www.technologyreview.com/2013/11/18/175391/folding-w...

    That's a meaningful improvement but not that big. Perhaps the limits to this kind of technology are ~50% fuel gain? https://www.technologyreview.com/2013/01/24/180345/hybrid-wi...

    We've got AI, but I'm still waiting on exponential technological gains. So far I've mostly gotten exponential enshittification of my google experience. Is AI going to unlock the detonation engine and bring down the cost of my plane ticket? https://www.technologyreview.com/2012/11/23/181486/exploding...

  • MaxikCZ 1 hour ago
    No pics?
  • gnabgib 1 hour ago
    Title: Airbus launches new flight test programme for Wing of Tomorrow

    ... doesn't look like there's any folding being tested here, just the resulting wing shape to see what the benefits might. Full scale foldable wings would be years off.

    • r2sk5t 1 hour ago
      You're right, it's a proof of concept: "The extensions, each measuring several metres, will replicate a folding wing in the fully extended position during a flight. They will be fitted with comprehensive testing equipment to capture behaviour in flight and evaluate how the longer wingspan impacts aircraft handling."
  • bilsbie 1 hour ago
    What’s the purpose of doing this? (Site won’t load for me)
    • OptionOfT 4 minutes ago
      Ground infrastructure.

      E.g. for the 777X it fits in Category E. Without folding tips it would be in Category F. Less gates can accommodate Category F.

      https://skybrary.aero/articles/icao-aerodrome-reference-code

    • a4isms 57 minutes ago
      My 2c:

      The goal is longer, thinner wings than usual. Long and thin wings are far more efficient—think gliders and the U2. But beyond a certain width, those wings become incompatible with existing airports and other facilities for handling commercial aircraft. So the idea is to mount folding extensions that are extended for flight, but likely fold when being hangered or navigating taxiways.

      • roryirvine 46 minutes ago
        And, importantly, this programme is targetting the next generation of single-aisle aircraft.

        It was hard enough to convince a few dozen of the world's largest airports to make the alterations needed to accommodate the A380's wings. Demanding similar changes at the thousands of smaller airports where A320-class planes land would be a non-starter.

    • ceejayoz 52 minutes ago
      > The Wing of Tomorrow programme is centred around creating longer, lighter, and more slender wings to maximise aerodynamic efficiency and reduce fuel burn. The wing extensions will be assembled at Airbus’ Wing Technology Development Centre in the UK and flight tested in Toulouse.
    • jabl 15 minutes ago
      Operation from aircraft carriers, obviously. /s
  • sleepyguy 38 minutes ago
    >The Wing of Tomorrow programme is centred around creating longer, lighter, and more slender wings to maximise aerodynamic efficiency and reduce fuel burn. The wing extensions will be assembled at Airbus’ Wing Technology Development Centre in the UK and flight tested in Toulouse.

    I can't say for certain, but I believe Boeing may have explored this concept at some point. The idea would be to equip aircraft with mechanically extendable wingtips that could expand outward by several meters during flight and retract while on the ground.

    The primary challenge is that most airport gates cannot accommodate aircraft with a significantly larger wingspan. Retractable wingtips would allow the aircraft to benefit from the improved aerodynamic efficiency and fuel savings of a longer wing in flight, while still fitting within existing gate infrastructure during boarding, deplaning, and parking.

    • SoftTalker 24 minutes ago
      Military aircraft have done this for decades to deal with the confined space on aircraft carriers. It's not a new idea, nor any kind of new technology.
    • om42 24 minutes ago
      Yeah, Boeing has the 777X that features folding wingtips. It still going certification and is looking like it'll be out next year (originally 2020).
    • bglazer 26 minutes ago
      Yes this is on the 777x, which is in pre-production and flight testing, seeking approvals from the FAA
  • r2sk5t 2 hours ago
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  • redsocksfan45 1 hour ago
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  • 4fterd4rk 1 hour ago
    Cool, but Boeing is doing it first with the 777X.
    • dr_faustus 1 hour ago
      Let's hope, it doesn't fall off...
    • esskay 1 hour ago
      Cool, but then you'd be forced to fly on a Boeing.
    • fransje26 1 hour ago
      Is that the plane that is already 7 years late due to certification issues?
      • deweywsu 32 minutes ago
        This is the new reality for all airliners now that there are much more rigorous mandatory safety analyses in place. The 777-9 just happened to be on the edge of certification when they came along.
    • xnx 1 hour ago
    • throw0101d 1 hour ago
      Foldable wings have been on aircraft carriers for a while as well.